An anonymous author whose name (OllieGarkey) is secret. Who writes for the very ultra-liberal and anti-Christian Daily Kos thinks he has finally answered those who believe that killing unborn babies is murder. How can it be, he “reasons,” because unborn babies are not breathing? He spends paragraph after paragraph trying to defend his abortion points. He even quotes and misquotes several Bible passages in defense of his position.
The idiots full article can be found here: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/19/1285933/-Bible-Life-Begins-at-Breath-Not-Conception
He claims “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” Genisis 2:7 as his proof that life begins at first breath. When the breath of life is god granting Adam a soul and not oxygen. Even a biblical neophyte like me understands this.
Of course, when you dig down into the article, the anonymous author doesn’t care about anything the Bible says on any subject, much less on what it might have to say about the abortion issue.
He clearly says he doesn’t “believe” in the bible while claiming to be Christian. “That being said: I do not believe that scripture is holy. I don’t believe that it is perfect. I do not believe that it is free from errors. I believe, in the words of the founder of my particular sect of Christianity, John Wesley, that scripture is ‘Sufficient.’”
This certainly doesn’t sound like the kind of Christian I’d be taking biblical advice from. Does it to you? If so consider the author has said this about Christians who consider the bible holy and the cetral part of Christian life. He further writes that “fundamentalists who talk about how the bible is the foundation for their faith” should be thought of as “dangerous moron[s].”
But the idea that the Bible teaches that life begins only when a baby takes in air through his or her lungs is simply preposterous. Babies in utero are getting oxygen. During the entire nine months of their time in their mother’s womb they receive oxygen and they “breath”. But let’s understand the “breath of life” referenced by the bible is a spirit, a soul being granted to the new life. That granting of breath begins at conception. Let’s go on to prove that.
There are a number of passages in the Bible where babies are self-consciousness in utero. Jacob and Esau are said to have “struggled together” while in their mother Rebekah’s womb (Gen. 25:21-26; Hosea 12:3). Struggling if I’m not mistaken requires oxygen and the removal of carbon dioxide. It also requires some level of consciousness also seen as life. Where did Jacob and Esau get the oxygen? From the time they were conceived they receive oxygen transmitted through their mother’s umbilical cord. It’s the same oxygen they would later take in via their lungs.
The only difference? The delivery system of course.
This is all so basic that I feel foolish having to point it out, but when you’re dealing with oxygen deprived morons like this author, there’s no other way.
Then there’s John the Baptist who is said to have “leaped” in his mother’s “womb” (Luke 1:41) when he heard that Mary was with child. Again, we are dealing with self-consciousness. Self-consciousness and the act of “leaping” require oxygen.
What about a passage like Exodus 21:22-25, which the anonymous Daily Kos writer references? Does this case law consider a “fetus” less than human?:
“If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.”
Some translations use the word “miscarriage,” for example, the 1977 translation of the New American Standard Version. The 1995 updated translation now reads “so that she gives birth prematurely.” That’s better, but it does not capture the literal meaning of the Hebrew which actually states “so that her children [yeled] come out.” The Hebrew yeled is used elsewhere for children already born. For example, in Exodus 2:6 we read, “When Pharaoh’s daughter opened [the basket], she saw the child [yeled], and behold, the boy was crying. And she had pity on him and said, ‘This is one of the Hebrews’ children [yeled].’” Since in the Exodus case these are “children that come out,” they are persons, not body parts like an appendix or a kidney.
In addition, the verb yatza (“come or go out”) refers to a live birth, not a miscarriage (Gen. 25:25-26; 38:28–30; Jer. 1:5; 20:18).
“Harm” or “injury” has reference to both the mother and the children since the Hebrew word yeled is used, as we’ve seen in other contexts, for children already born. The mother and the baby or babies are given equal status before the Hebrew law. And have been for more than 5,000 years.
Why is it the Hebrews are so much smarter even 5,000 years ago about when life began? Oh yeah they believed in life begins and ends with god. In ancient times they knew god gives life and life begins when conception begins. But back to the point.
The text does not say, “yet there is no further injury to the mother” (Ex. 21:22). “Further injury” refers to the mother and child. If it is first established that yeled means “child,” which it does, then the case laws referring to persons, whether children or adults, must be applied. If the harm does not lead to the death of either the mother or the child, then a fine is paid to compensate the injured, either mother or the children who “come out” prematurely (21:18–19). If either the mother or the child is harmed in any way, the lex talionis applies.
In biblical terms, an unborn child is regarded as a human being that deserves the full protection of the law as summarized in the sixth commandment, “You shall not murder.” There is no need for a commandment that states “You shall not abort,” since killing a preborn would be covered under “you shall not murder.”
Then there are these passages he totally ignores and discounts.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations. (Jeremiah 1:5) Yes god knew you before he “placed” you in the womb. He blessed you BEFORE you were born.
Did not he who made me in the womb make him? And did not one fashion us in the womb? (Job 31:15) Again god placed you in the womb. He put you there and watched over you.
Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, who formed you from the womb: “I am the Lord, who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself” (Isaiah 44:2) Who formed you IN THE WOMB. He formed you! Not at birth but IN THE WOMB.
For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother’s womb. (Psalm 100:3) Again with forming you before birth while “in the womb”.
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace, (Galatians 1:15) Before I was born, showing gods hand before birth.
For behold, when the sound of your greeting came to my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. (Luke 1:44) Consciousness pre-birth, a consciousness that recognized the good news. It knew it’s creators message because the baby was OF the creator.
One most compelling to me “Because he did not kill me in the womb; so my mother would have been my grave, and her womb forever great.” Jeremiah 20:17. It suggests death can occur even while in the womb. If it isn’t life how can it be “killed” even by god himself?
These passages show the “breath of life” and a conciousness only associated with actual life. It shows a living, breathing, thinking human being. There are many more but I believe you got the point by now. The bible is littered with proof of babies knowing god long before knowing birth. It’s filled with the promise of life and salvation as humans beginning at conception and ending at death. It further tells us god knew us before sending us to be humans and he knows us long past our time here on earth.
That is the promise and good news of the bible. Without it and the faith in it there is nothing but birth and death. To believe we just are and that god never blessed us with the “breath of life” at conception is to also deny the promise of salvation after death.
Proof without the bible? Sure theirs plenty. There are ultrasounds of abortion procedings that show the “fetus” aka baby fighting to get away from the abortion.
Why is it when women have an abortion the ultrasounds show the baby tries to run away, they scream in pain and even before they look like a baby they will flee from the murder of abortion? Because they are self aware and they are alive.
The last proof needed for any moron who does not believe a baby is a baby even inside the mothers womb. If you’ve ever been pregnant you know, you feel the baby move. The baby responds to voices it knows, responds to the mother when she is sick or happy. The baby moves and is happy when it knows the mother is happy. Babies know their mother at birth. Mine stopped crying the moment they placed him in my arms, He went silent from crying when my father would speak to him because he knew his voice. My father would read to Josef every night and I felt him respond as my father read to him.
I felt him dance and kick. I knew when he was sleeping, when he was happy and I swear he would protest brussel sprouts even back them. When I ate brussel sprouts he would squirm almost like saying “NOOOOO not that!, Please mommy I hate brusesel sprouts!” He hates them even today and does that same dance of protest.
No further proof for me is needed than simply being a mother.
Wow again a non-Christian destroys an idiot’s argument and claims that the bible is pro-abortion. Or that it doesn’t define a baby as a life even at conception. I couldn’t murder my child for my son was without sin in his conception. I pity those who murder theirs under the delusion of choice!
Life is not a choice. It’s a blessing, a responsibility, a gift and it’s precious. But it’s not a choice as some may try and make you believe. That is why women who have had abortions feel depressed, lonely, angry. More than 60 percent of women experience post abort blues as they call it. Why? Because the life they felt inside has been snuffed out and they did it by choice.